Chuck Klosterman

does not have a hard time living without it.

And that's what the thing that we cannot possibly, it's hard to visualize that now.

Like it's very difficult to visualize a world where people aren't like us, but of course there will be in the same way that we're different people than the ones who lived 50 years ago and probably could not believe that horse racing would ever disappear.

I would say it started decreasing in popularity probably in the 40s or 50s.

In the 70s, when there was just these kind of... 70s was a renaissance when we were kids.

It was an incredible run of horses, right?

But even those horses, like, you know, people unironically argue, like, Seabiscuit was as popular as Babe Ruth.

that wasn't the case for Seattle slew.

Seattle slew wasn't as popular as Reggie Jackson or whatever, you know, like it already started to change to the point now where to be a horse racing fan signifies something very specific.

Either you are an addictive gambler or you own horses.

You know, that's basically it.

Sure.

Sure.

That's the third category.

I mean, fourth, it's very, you know, it's an odd thing is that people love to bring up this thing of the three biggest sports 100 years ago.

They never go to the fourth one.

Probably, probably.

Are you sure that's what made it happen?

Because I thought that was like a modern view of that.

I mean, obviously, Max Kellerman or whatever would be a better person to talk about this.