Chuck Klosterman

But it's like, the decline of boxing is very complex.

It has a lot of different aspects as to why corruption, the way the fights were, the way fighting has changed.

Like, there's a really great, I don't know if you ever listened to this podcast, Hardcore History.

This guy Dan Carlin has an amazing episode about how boxing is the one sport that all experts basically agree is the only one where the guys would lose to the guys of the past.

And that even many of the things that many of the things boxers did in the past can't even be done now.

There's no one to train them.

And because the weights don't change, you know, guys stay in the same weight class.

A boxer from the past would beat a boxer from the present in all likelihood now.

So boxing is kind of its own thing.

Okay.

the decline in baseball is something we've talked about.

And I think it's like, it's, it's, it's nuanced, but like you can, there are some sort of kind of wide brushes that can be made.

Horse racing is the easiest to understand.

I mean, to me at least, I mean, that, that's, that was just like, there was a time when we had a relationship to horses and there's a time when we didn't.

So we were watching something now that's alien.

We're watching these things that we like, like I, like I, I would guess that there are people listening to this podcast who,

who have many, many people who have never touched a horse, have never actually had their hand on a horse.

I would guess maybe the majority of the people listening to this podcast.

They still cared about horses.

And they used them for transportation.