Chuck Todd

And of course, the Pope speaking out has then got parts of mega world so angry that they're like trying to threaten the Vatican.

And of course, the Pope speaking out has then got parts of mega world so angry that they're like trying to threaten the Vatican.

So this president can't handle criticism to the point that he's going to declare war on the Vatican.

So this president can't handle criticism to the point that he's going to declare war on the Vatican.

I know there's a source of MAGA that hated Pope Francis and sources of the right-wing part of the Catholic Church.

I know there's a source of MAGA that hated Pope Francis and sources of the right-wing part of the Catholic Church.

It is some strange brew, and then you have the whole, there's sort of an anti-Catholic contingent in this MAGA world.

It is some strange brew, and then you have the whole, there's sort of an anti-Catholic contingent in this MAGA world.

I was just going to say he had a lot of- Yes, he had a lot of different spellings.

Pete Hegseth is sort of part of that crowd.

Pete Hegseth is sort of part of that crowd.

Right.

Right.

That's why they apparently, you know, wouldn't even allow a Catholic mass at the Pentagon Chapel on Good Friday.

That's why they apparently, you know, wouldn't even allow a Catholic mass at the Pentagon Chapel on Good Friday.

So there's always been there's a weird and I have to say politically, that's incredibly risky.

So there's always been there's a weird and I have to say politically, that's incredibly risky.

Right.

Right.

If you wanted to just look at swing states by religion, there's a lot of Catholics in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan.