Chuck Todd

The more I think about your question, what's the most veep thing you've seen?

It's the Trump presidency, right?

Whether it's how he's handled the Kennedy Center, how he's handled the gold lame everywhere, the sort of, you know...

Well, it's interesting.

You know, he's such a creature of the 60s and 70s and 80s.

You use, in some ways, it's a very traditional way to tell a story, right?

You use different characters, different points of view on different things.

You know, one of the leading, you know, sort of showmen of the 70s was a man named Liberace.

But you don't begin with one of your characters.

You begin with essentially going after the person, I guess, you believe created the myth, Mr. Jackson Turner.

And if you've never heard of him, you should go Google him.

Just a flamboyant sort of showman, piano player.

He would just, you know, it was...

It was sort of like if Billy Joel and if Elton John and Lawrence Welk had a baby, it would be Liberace.

I know that's a strange thing to say, but it was it was sort of like because it was piano bass.

Right.

But it was sort of.

You know, it was.

But it was to describe Liberace as flamboyant is almost underselling him.

And yet, if you spend some time.