Chuck

And one of the reasons it got so famous very quickly, in addition to just the scope of what was going on, was they used a trustee system.

They spelled it trustee as in T-R-U-S-T-Y, where some of the worst, most violent convicted felons that were prisoners there were given rifles and said, you guys make sure this other 80% of your fellow prisoners do the work the way we want them to.

It really is.

It seems risky, you know?

It would, but it also reminded me of, what is the Quentin Tarantino antebellum slavery movie?

Remember he posed as a black slaver?

That's kind of how I took it to kind of be like,

Have you ever read a beloved Toni Morrison novel?

You should read that, too, if you have.

No, I haven't read that.

It's very good, but it's mind-bogglingly good, actually.

But there's a few scenes about a chain gang and just what it would have been like.

One of the main characters spent time on a chain gang.

And, I mean, you said it was brutal work.

and they were building roads, like a good example of what chain gangs did, if you were building a road, you were using like human labor to build roads.

This was before they had machinery.

Right.

Like road building machinery.

It just didn't exist.

So you used human beings to do this stuff.