Chuck

We're not saying do away with it, but it needs a lot of,

of reforms, these are the people who are like, well, reform-minded about the whole thing.

There's basically no one saying we should do away with prison labor.

But they say it should be the kind of labor that's going to help them get jobs on the outside where they learn valuable skills.

They should be paid fairly, federal minimum wage at least for the labor that they're doing.

And they should also get protections that any worker gets in the United States.

This to me is mind blowing.

We have workers protections out the yin yang here in the U.S.

We have OSHA.

We have the Fair Labor Standards Act.

All of these are meant to protect

protect workers physically from injury and also protect them from being screwed over by their employers.

And court after court after court has ruled that prison laborers do not count for these protections.

They're not classified as employees because, as I saw it put, the prison owns the prisoner's labor.

The laborer doesn't own their own labor.

So how can an employee be in that situation?

They can't.

Therefore, they don't get any of these protections.

Yeah, we'll just walk past that one.

Yeah.