Chuck

And, like, I think you mentioned Europe and the U.N.

In Europe, essentially, the way that they treat prison labor is what I was saying that in the U.S.

prison labor reform people are calling for.

And you mentioned Alabama in that lawsuit about mandatory chores, not prison labor.

The reason that lawsuit even came up is because Alabama, surprisingly, is one of seven states that in the last few years has passed in their state constitution a ban on prison labor.

You're not allowed to, you can't force prisoners to work.

They can, you can use prison labor, but you have to pay them and you can't coerce them with punishments.

Some of the punishments that prisoners face if they refuse to work, they might be transferred to a higher security prison, which is not what you want to happen to you.

Their family visits may get cut.

There's all sorts of punishments that can be meted out legally, except in these states under their constitution.

But like you said, that lawsuit where they were like, this isn't involuntary servitude, it's mandatory chores.

They don't have any teeth right now.

Man.

That's pretty good ROI, just for paying prisoners.

I can't think of any better way to end this one, can you?

I got nothing else.

I thought I heard you dropped your mic even.

Okay, well, since Chuck said his mic's still good to go, I guess it's time for listener mail.

They gave you a windscreen?

I didn't get a windscreen.