Ciarán Murphy

That's got to be part of the motivation for T.J.

Reid still playing.

I mean, this is the classic, of course, we don't look at individual records, but as a selfish forward, Joe, I mean, that's got to be somewhere in his thinking, right?

And at this point, they were probably more pissed off mentally than Wexford after all those hand passes too.

Yeah, I know you were saying that at the time.

All right, Jamie, we never got you on after you left the stage clear for Joe last week after Kilkenny getting annihilated from Galway.

I guess I guess I was doing a bit of scoreboard journalism and just lumping that performance on with the last defeat in the league against

Galway but Joe felt slightly differently you know that there were some green shoots maybe for Kilkenny after what they did to Wexford are you seeing them as contenders this year?

I mean for the All-Ireland I'd agree with Joe look I'm always saying Kilkenny are contenders for the All-Ireland just because by virtue of the fact they're Kilkenny and they're going to make it into the final it'll be a toss of a coin against Galway in that and again like I said two weeks

two weeks ago that I had more faith in Galway this year than I've had in a while I kind of like what I've seen and we'll see now how it plays out but I do like more what I've seen of Galway this year than years gone by but you know if you've got one of those lesser teams going to get to semi-final you know then you just have to perform twice to win an Ireland so yeah you've got a huge you've got a huge chance there and

we probably no more than look I wouldn't have read in at all into the hammering that Galway gave Kilkenny in the league because as I mentioned there were thought to be extenuating circumstances to that as Joe and TJ said it as well in his interview couple of chances to go another way in that Galway game you know so if they go another way you don't have to you Kilkenny could that game could have been a different game

I wouldn't read too much into this either because Wexford are at nothing.

They're absolutely just, they're at nothing.

They won by seven points against Kildare and it was a lately chin goal, put gloss on that.

They're just not a good side.

They're going to come fifth in Leinster.

They're not up to that level.

The players don't seem to be there.

They just...

They're still going to the well with Lee Chin, who's 32, 33 years of age now.