Ciarán Murphy

Anyway, what else is on, you know, is our arsenal playing?

You know, that's kind of the reaction people have.

Oh, Los Angeles is on fire.

Well, you know, they, you know.

Well, that's not what the interest groups say.

Also, when you talk about the media, like what is the media now?

I mean, the media is social media, right?

And the media, the so-called media...

what we used to refer to as media is just one part of that now.

Like actually a still despised part or like, you know, it's the kind of, it's quite, it's been a useful strategy over the last 10 years or whatever to go, these guys are lying, you know, this is the regime, media, blah, blah, blah.

So the whole kind of conversation around climate change has, I guess, I've been...

It's been neutralized, I think, by, like, you know, obviously you've got Trump saying it's a hoax, it's a climate hoax.

You've got, like, obviously interested parties advancing their own agenda.

Like, did you see your man Lutnik, Howard Lutnik, at Munich?

They had the Munich Security Conference, and he gave this, like, he was sitting there with, like, Rachel Reeves, was it the guy from, was it Stubb from Finland?

I'm not sure who else.

And Adam Tooze.

Yeah.

And he just was like ranting and shouting at the audience.

He's like, how can you do wind and solar?