Ciarán Murphy

He was like, how is Europe so stupid?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Yes, exactly.

Like, you're going to have to buy something.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, so are you going to buy or maybe figure out how to make batteries?

Or are you going to just continue buying oil and gas forever?

You know, it was just mental.

Well, if we, you should make this stuff as well, Howard, you should be making this stuff.

We maybe we'd buy it off you then, but like, I mean, it's obviously a better, I mean, I think everyone should be able to see that's a, it's a better solution rather than burning the shit that we have to buy anyway.

Well, this is what I mean by a lot of the sort of what I call propaganda is driven by, like, naked sort of economic interests such as that.

And these are powerful forces.

Friedrich Merz went to China recently, came back saying Germans need to work harder.

He did.

Germans have become lazy.

I was in China and they work all the hours God sends.

We need to get a bit of that can-do Chinese spirit.

Keir Starmer was over there recently.

Mark Carney was there.