Ciarán Hancock

We're also building an interconnector to France, aren't we?

Okay.

Cliff, Larry Goodman owns a company called Barry Road, used to be Providence Resources, and he wants to restart drilling for oil and gas off the south coast of Cork in the Barry Road fields, which, it's a long story, but the previous iteration of the company wasn't allowed to do.

Should he be allowed to do that?

The UK has done well in offshore wind, John, hasn't it?

So pardon the poem, with a strong wind at our back by, let's say, 2050, what should our mix look like?

Now, some of the energy coming through that interconnector to France is actually going to be powered by nuclear, isn't it?

Sentiment changed.

We're in big tech for that sort of stuff now.

What about LNG?

We hear a lot of talk about that.

Cliff, should we be going down that road?

You're talking about Shell Gas.

I mean, fracking's off the menu, isn't it?

Give us your best guess, John, for the outlook for the rest of the year for householders and for businesses in terms of their energy bills.

Pretty stark forecast.

John Fitzgerald, Cliff Taylor, thank you for joining us.

We're going to take a short break now.

When we return, I'll be talking to Omburg Kennedy of the Irish Times about the latest developments in a plan to build a winter sports arena in South Dublin.

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