Cillian McLaughlin

There's huge studies across the world in North America and in Europe where there's healthy populations of wolves.

They do target deer because they share the same habitats as deer.

But like Michael's talking about, um, human safety on the roads and everything else.

Let's let's, let's look at the, the actual what's actually happening here.

People are being.

injured in cars.

They're not being injured by wolves.

So, I mean, I guess my question is what does success look like to Michael?

You know, like, is it, is it complete eradication of our native species?

And after the deer go, what's next?

Where's the tipping point?

Where do we kill too many?

And then, oh, deer extinct in Ireland.

I mean, Michal referred to a time that we remember about a TV program.

Clare, I remember when I started driving, my windscreen being covered in flies.

That doesn't happen anymore.

There's something really amiss with our ecosystem.

My windscreen's clear, and I just commented on that the other day.

These are the pollinators, right?

These are the animals that pollinate our crops, right?