Cindy Cohn

You know, EFF has 30,000 members.

I would say the vast... I don't know.

We are a privacy organization.

I don't know who those people are.

But I think it's fair to say that a lot of them are people who work in these companies who still...

want to be in the business of making cool stuff for the rest of us, connecting all the world's people.

I mean, we did that.

The internet connects all the world's people in a way that is still magnificent.

So I think that the split isn't between... I mean, you're in Silicon Valley as well, but to me, it's not between...

tech and non-tech.

It's between the top of tech, which is much more like the billionaires in any other industry and disconnected from the rest of tech.

And we'll see, right?

I mean, the AI founders have committed to a lot of things, Anthropic and the 80% they're going to give away and things like that.

So

I mean, time will tell, right?

Are they going to walk their talk or is it just talk?

And we'll just see.

I mean, from EFF's perspective, again, if they walk their talk, we're there with them.

And if they're not, we're the ones who are probably going to be on the other side of the V in the lawsuit.

Oh, God, it's a race to the bottom, isn't it?