Cindy Cohn

And, you know, I would argue it's because they're either cowed or they're in cahoots.

Those are the two reasonable options.

I think there's a couple of things.

One is that this idea that because your information's already out there, it's all over.

If you talk to people in intelligence or cops, they will tell you that old information, it's a very short shelf life, right?

So your information isn't all out there because you're continuing to live your life.

And so, yes, it would have been great if 10 years ago we had passed a comprehensive privacy law that included law enforcement as well as the commercial entities.

That's the first best time.

The second best time is today.

Because if we can begin to cut the knees out from under this massive data collection, the information will get less and less important.

And their ability to spy on us will get smaller and smaller.

So it's never... I mean, if it were game over...

they'd stop spying on us right like they're not like oh we're gonna unplug the spying machine because we've got everything we need folks like that would be a different world than the one we're living in so one of the things is like it's it's never game over it's not game over I mean it

it's ultimately game over when you're not alive anymore, maybe.

But as long as you're living, your data is valuable to the government and to the companies.

And the minute we stop this business model, the better.

The second thing I would argue is it's easy to say it's all over and there's nothing I can do if they're not sweeping up your grandma in an immigration raid.

But I think it's a

it's a bit of a denial or entitled position to think that you could not care and nothing, because what's going on there in the nihilism is I don't have to, I don't care about this.

It feels like too big a fight and nothing will really happen to me or anyone I love if I don't care about this.