Cindy Cohn

So like, even if you're none of them, I mean, you've got to start looking, these circles are getting closer and closer to all of us.

And if you think

that the people in power who have control of this massive surveillance stuff will just never happen upon you or anyone you love, I think you're kind of living in a dream world.

And that matters no matter what your politics is, because if this administration isn't the one that bothers you, when the administration change, it may.

I mean, that's why right now Congress is debating renewing the big mass spying law of ISIS, Section 702.

And there is this

combination of Ron Wyden and Jamie Raskin, people on the left, and the Freedom Caucus, Andy Biggs and Rand Paul and Mike Lee, people who do not agree with each other very much, are all saying, look, we think the FBI needs a warrant before it starts searching the mass spying databases for its targets.

Um, it's, it's because I think those people on the far right realize that even if they're empowered today, they may not be empowered tomorrow.

And it's better for all of us if we have due process and, and, and, and separation of powers kinds of things for mass surveillance.

That's one of our lawsuits.

We're suing over that.

I don't know.

I think you're at the New York Times.

Would you go ask them for me?

I really I don't.

I mean, I think they're afraid.

I think that the administration because they depend on HB1 visas like it used to be the only thing that Silicon Valley lobbied about was visas.

Right.

that, you know, the workforce is heavily, you know, immigration dependent.

And I agree with you, they would have been standing up for this and they're not.