Claire Stevens

Do you have something going on?

Yeah, I'm keeping my cervix closed because I just need that extra couple of grand.

But I do think it's a straw man argument that she kind of keeps saying businesses shouldn't have to pay and all the other politicians are saying they don't have to.

And she's like, they shouldn't have to.

That's a really interesting point that she isn't an outsider yet.

kind of the entire philosophy of One Nation at the moment is almost that they are, that they're coming in and speaking the truth and shaking things up.

It's sort of similar to what she said in her press club address about childcare.

She talked about childcare and how it's a $16 billion industry and where's that money going and I want to do a big investigation.

And, yeah, thinking about it, I'm like, oh, you've been in politics for 30 years.

You...

I would assume you knew more about childcare than I do, but clearly that's appealing to people, the kind of I'm standing outside of it and I'm just looking at things sensibly and this is what I'm saying.

I am seeing a lot of parallels with Trump.

One is exactly what you just said, Holly, which is it's sort of this interesting juxtaposition of being a voice for the battler while standing beside Gina Reinhart.

And I find that interesting.

But the other thing I find very Trumpian and interesting

I've listened to commentary around Trump for the last few years that says he's actually not super ideological.

He's more pragmatic.

Like he will compromise his values if it ends up getting him something that he wants.

It's not that he is, you know, a devout Christian, for example, and all his values stem from there.

And what I've noticed about Hanson is that she isn't as ideologically attached as it sort of might come across.