Claire Stevens

For example, during her press club address, she talked about abortion, which is a hot button issue, which again has reared its head in Australian politics.

And

She sort of made a statement, there are too many abortions in Australia after 20 weeks.

I don't think people should be getting abortions after 20 weeks.

And then as soon as she was pressed on it,

She doesn't actually, she's not actually super ideological about that because as soon as she's asked, what if the mother's health is at risk?

Oh, well, that's different.

And then she said since women, actually she said years ago, women should have autonomy over their own bodies.

And then there's another straw man argument where she'll say,

women shouldn't be getting abortions at 39 weeks.

And it's like, that's not what the abortion conversation is ever even about.

But it's very Trump where it's like, I'll throw something out so that it appeals to the average person.

I don't think women should be getting abortions at 39 weeks.

And you feel like putting your hand up and saying, yeah, so that's not actually happening.

But it doesn't matter because she's clearly won over some element of common sense.

But that kind of pragmatism is what reminds me of Donald Trump.

But I feel like it's coming.

And you're right, Senator Malcolm Roberts has argued for an outright ban on abortion.

So when people press Pauline Hanson on that, they're really saying, hey, your senators are being very black and white about this and, you know, for...

A lot of women, it is a huge, you know, question about human rights.