Claire Stevens

And for her to kind of then be, you know, then be quite adaptable when asked the questions seems quite insincere when the rest of her party is being very, very black and white.

But it's worth acknowledging that we are two years away from an election and that in that time, two years out, Pauline Hanson kind of isn't expected to give specific policy ideas.

As we approach that, she will be.

And I think that will be a real test.

Because Fred would have been completely positive.

You would have had no criticism.

I think so.

I know.

Look, I think somebody put forward Julia Garner and everyone went, excellent casting.

She looks like a younger Madonna.

What I would pay to be in on those meetings where they were giving feedback to Madonna about her vision for her own life.

And she was like, there is no budget.

There can be no budget.

And they're like, there is a budget.

Yeah.

There actually is.

Her not being able to stay in Serbia for more than four days, I just, I respect the person who said that.

Given what we saw from her short film, it was not a film clip.

Given what we saw from her short film, who's not paying respect now, Holly?

Yeah, but her creative vision, it was confused, I have to say.