Clare Stephens

Yes.

They'd been married for a very long time.

Are they still married?

Yeah.

But something that I just would like on the record, if we're going to consider his integrity, his ability to run for some kind of public office, he never apologised.

to Lauren Conrad for starting a rumour that she had a sex tape when she didn't.

And then apologise and then retract.

Well, no, then acknowledge you started the rumour, then say you didn't start the rumour, but you just, you never apologise.

Yeah.

It's something I think we're lacking in Australian politics.

We don't have enough reality stars.

And, you know, if you think about Donald Trump, he's many things.

But kind of front of mind for me, he is a reality star, like The Apprentice.

was arguably his greatest success, that television show.

You've got the president, you've got Spencer Pratt.

So I think it's a really good model for how we should run countries, states.

Yeah, because it's going really well.

Yeah, it's going really well.

So my top contenders, Sophie Monk.

Sophie Monk would be the roguest.