Clare Stephens

But that divorce was confirmed to People Magazine only two weeks ago.

So clearly, I think this is a situation where a couple is working through some complicated relationship dynamics, triangulating those, if you'll allow me to Esther Perel this situation, through the sons.

They have a weird dynamic.

I looked back in 2019.

Yeah, I went into Jason Biggs' Instagram from 2019.

There is an Instagram post where Jenny is embracing their son in happier times.

They're on a holiday.

They go to Germany every year on holiday.

The caption on this was, there used to be a time when my wife wanted to canoodle with me on a mountaintop.

And at that point, I think the two of you are feeding off each other with this.

Because I get that that's a joke.

I get that it's all said tongue in cheek.

But when you are making jokes that are premised on the idea that your son has replaced you...

romantically in some way.

That's just, there's a kernel there of that's how he views the son.

No, I find this so mystifying.

And I want to ask you why you think the boy moms who have the bumper stickers, why do they want to tell us that they're a boy mom?

And in fact, there was a study done at the start of this year that said for the first time, this is an Australian study, for the first time parents expressed a preference more for having a girl than having a boy.

So there really is a bit of a sort of sense now that boys are hard work, trouble, they're all going to grow up to be like adolescents, the TV show, and that you'd just rather have a nice, well-behaved girl.

So you don't get that for boys entering puberty, it's girls.