Clare Stephens

Yes, yes.

But I also think in terms of the reply only friend and what both of you are saying about those kind of

I don't know, different, more novel conversation starters.

I'm good at that.

Like I will see a piece of gossip or something going on on TikTok and I'm like, I know who to send this to.

And we'll have a chat about that and then we may not talk for six months.

So that's fine.

But with a reply only friend, I think friendship, like any relationship, is based on a dynamic.

So I think in some ways I've kind of paired up with friends who were the reach out friend.

Do you know what I mean?

And I was wondering, Amelia, because you tell a story on the subs episode that we won't get into because it's so juicy, it just needs its space there, about you being very assertive with a friend about a very big life decision.

Are you friends with people who are similarly assertive?

And it's like here's where I'm at ideologically.

Yeah, exactly.

And you go back and forth.

Oh, I like that.

We do that.

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