Cliff Sims

But on these issues of national security and international importance and things that impacted people's lives,

I think he had the courage to do the right thing.

Yeah, the Bezos one was kind of innocuous.

It was like, he didn't spend a lot of time with Trump.

He came in, I think it was for like one of the business councils that we had put together and he was one of the people on there and I'd met him and that kind of thing.

The one that was, that really stuck with me was the Elon Musk interactions though.

because we had a meeting in the cabinet room and the president was working on what to do on infrastructure, crumbling infrastructure all over the country.

What am I gonna do?

I'm gonna bring together all these people I knew from the private sector who can help bring up fresh eyes to this problem.

and come with interesting ideas.

So he had a lot of his friends there who were big builders, who had done giant projects, built skyscrapers, all these things, like what are we gonna do about American infrastructure?

And one of the people was Elon Musk.

So we're going around the room and people are talking about the things you would expect with infrastructure, ports, bridges, roads, airports, obviously important things.

We get to Elon Musk and Elon wants to talk about a tunnel.

that would take people.

All these people are in one room at the same time?

Oh yeah, all in the cabinet room of the White House.

Yeah, all around the giant table, the president sits in the middle.

The back of his chair in the cabinet room, if you ever look at pictures, the back of the president's chair is about that much taller than every other chair in the room.

So you can see which chair is the president's.