Coco Kahn

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The executive producers are Anushka Sharma, Tanya Hines, Madeleine Herringer and Katie Long with additional support from Irish Horts.

Hi, this is Pod Save the UK. I'm Coco Kahn.

Hi, this is Pod Save the UK. I'm Coco Kahn.

Absolutely insane, incoherent and obviously terrifying. You know, in my naivety, I woke up really early this morning before the news was circulating and thought to myself, oh great, on today's episode we can talk about the Grammys or something nice like that. Do you know what I mean? I was like, oh, there seems to be a natural pause in the devastating, horrifying news.

Absolutely insane, incoherent and obviously terrifying. You know, in my naivety, I woke up really early this morning before the news was circulating and thought to myself, oh great, on today's episode we can talk about the Grammys or something nice like that. Do you know what I mean? I was like, oh, there seems to be a natural pause in the devastating, horrifying news.

Let's start on this Gaza news. Here's President Trump announcing his plans. We'll understand if you skip the next 30 seconds if you can't stand the sound of him.

Let's start on this Gaza news. Here's President Trump announcing his plans. We'll understand if you skip the next 30 seconds if you can't stand the sound of him.

Of course, these institutions are deeply, deeply problematic, but do we want to do away with them entirely, i.e. they don't exist, we don't have anything like that, or do we want to improve them so that they are more fair? That point about naivety, I feel that as well.

Of course, these institutions are deeply, deeply problematic, but do we want to do away with them entirely, i.e. they don't exist, we don't have anything like that, or do we want to improve them so that they are more fair? That point about naivety, I feel that as well.

I was thinking about Donald Trump, as I do every minute of the day, but I was thinking about how he's so naked in his ambition and the way that he speaks, and he kind of reveals the problems with the machine, right? Yeah. Actually, all along, it's just been about money and power and who has the biggest guns. All along, it's been might is right, investors interested, all along.

I was thinking about Donald Trump, as I do every minute of the day, but I was thinking about how he's so naked in his ambition and the way that he speaks, and he kind of reveals the problems with the machine, right? Yeah. Actually, all along, it's just been about money and power and who has the biggest guns. All along, it's been might is right, investors interested, all along.

But this time, he's not keeping it quiet. He's proud of it and he's showing it. And there's something about this as well in this situation where I just was thinking to myself, well, I suppose if it has felt like in a way that we're all in this... through the looking glass when we talk about Gaza and that Israel's response has been, I don't know, proportional or something ludicrous like that.

But this time, he's not keeping it quiet. He's proud of it and he's showing it. And there's something about this as well in this situation where I just was thinking to myself, well, I suppose if it has felt like in a way that we're all in this... through the looking glass when we talk about Gaza and that Israel's response has been, I don't know, proportional or something ludicrous like that.

People are still saying this thing. And if you follow that to the nth degree, if you take that logic where we're just going to completely forget all of the history, all of the occupation, we're just going to only think about the last however months long it's been. Well, obviously, this is going to be the logical conclusion, isn't it?

People are still saying this thing. And if you follow that to the nth degree, if you take that logic where we're just going to completely forget all of the history, all of the occupation, we're just going to only think about the last however months long it's been. Well, obviously, this is going to be the logical conclusion, isn't it?