Coco Kahn

But there was also conversations being had about how Labour Together were reshaping the Labour Party to completely push out the left and kind of irreversibly take Labour more right-wing

than it has ever been, which would obviously be very sad for a party that's been so instrumental in social good.

You know, hasn't gone far enough in many places, but has been instrumental in a social good in this country.

So it's sort of a little bit bananas, really.

So just to give you a little bit of an insight into what APCO found.

So Josh Simmons said that he asked the firm to look into an illegal hack.

Well, they wondered whether the way that these journalists had found out about these donations was because they had been hacked.

And so they wondered if whether the journalists had received this information and that was why.

Now, obviously, the journalist and Paul himself said on our show that this was completely ludicrous.

So the BBC reported that this report included information about Pogran's Jewish beliefs.

It had talk about his ideological positions.

It was much more than looking into this little thing.

It's almost like giving you the tools for a character assassination.

I think there is a point that I often come back to.

And sometimes when I talk about the things we talk about on this podcast with others, and it's outrageous that they've done this, people often say to me with the hope and joy gone from their eyes, that's just politics, baby.

That goes on all the time.

And yeah, okay, fine.

What you've seen is you've peeked behind the curtain, you've seen a little bit and you sit in your little lefty millennial world being like, I can't believe anyone would do that.

But actually, this happens all the time.

So why are you making a big deal out of it?