Coco Kahn

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1,632 appearances 19 recordings 2 series first heard Sep 2024 last heard 12 Jun

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Pod Save the UK · Can Starmer’s upbeat note drown out the donation scandal? w/ Zoë Grünewald and Simon Kuper · 26 Sep 2024 podcast

So next week, we're going to be looking at how these crackdowns can disproportionately affect minority groups and also just the fairness of the benefit system in general. If you've been affected by benefit sanctions in the past or have some thoughts you want to share, please do email in. I promise you this is a safe space.

I can say as a child of a single parent mum who worked all hours of the day, we still needed some help from the benefit system. So this is very much a safe space and I understand how it can be. If you do want to email, the address is psuk at reducelistening.co.uk and don't forget to subscribe if you haven't already. You can catch us in your feeds next Thursday.

Right, exactly. I mean, it wouldn't cost anything to just say I understand the depth of feeling on this issue is a great moral question of our time. I'm committed to it. Why do you have to take a swipe at people who are not even in the room anymore? God, what is this?

This is a democracy on this show, with our listeners as well. It was a suggestion.

Do you think there's an issue that because they've already accepted some of them, there might be some political blowback? I wonder if maybe that's why there's a reluctance there.

Precisely. Also, sorry, I shouldn't laugh, but when you said it all, he just loves the Labour Party.

So quick. Babe, come on.

But despite the negative public sentiment, Energy Secretary Ed Miliband has stayed perky. He told a Labour Climate and Environment Forum drinks, it's a bit like Mario Kart government. Things fly at you. You've just got to keep going. And if you think you're going to have an easy day in government, you're not. So nice for him to compare this all to being blue shelled. Yeah.

You know, very, very on brand for Ed Miliband.

Zoe, thanks so much for joining us. Thank you.

Now, there's no denying that Keir Starmer loves a freebie, whether it's Taylor Swift tickets or a corporate box at the Arsenal game. He's accepted more gifts than any other Labour leader since 1997 combined. But there's no such thing as a free lunch. So they say, so what are big business and millionaires hoping to gain from gifts and donations?

Someone who's been looking into this is Simon Cooper, Financial Times journalist and author of Good Chaps. How How corrupt politicians broke our law and institutions and what we can do about it. Thanks for joining us, Simon.

So, you know, obviously we talked a lot during those last days of the Conservatives about sleaze. What is the distinction between like sleaze and corruption?

I mean, Keir Starmer and his ministers have repeatedly said that they're acting according to the rules. I just wonder, can you explain to me what exactly are the rules? Is it just anything goes as long as you declare it?

Flood the zone with shit. Is that the phrase?

Wow. So it works for media and it also works for our public waterworks. So, you know, get you a policy that can do both. So in your book, you argue that the UK has become more corrupt over the last few decades. I think almost the public are expecting it. So I guess one of the things I'm trying to work out is how corrupt is Britain? You know, marks out of 10.

One of the things I wanted to ask, just because, you know, what you've outlined there is big money players. And obviously, you know, we started the show talking about the donations, the gifts given to members of the Labour Party, the ministers, you know, Taylor Swift tickets. Generally, those sums would be considered smaller. But are they comparable in terms of the results?

So, you know, we spoke about how in the UK, you can do what you like as long as you declare it, but you never have to declare what that donor has asked for in return. So are we right to assume that of all of these gifts, there would have been something in return?

Thinking about the donors that donate whatever sum it might be or gifts through Lord Ali, how do they know what they're going to get in return?

It's a classic. So, I mean, this all sounds very terrible. But after the break, we are going to be discussing how we can try to fix this mess.

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