Cole Murray
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236 appearances
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first heard May 2026
last heard 28 May
Cole Murray’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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I mean, again, like I built this fairly quickly.
And I think because you are not owning, I guess, the entire stack, it's hard to monetize.
You have money being made at the sandbox layer with Daytona, E2B, many other players.
You have money being made at the model layer.
And you kind of sit in this weird in-between gray area where what are you actually selling?
You're selling, I guess, the infrastructure.
You're selling the integrations, maybe.
Let's ask the guy, what are you selling?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think maybe we can start here.
It's just kind of a general, what are the pieces of a background agent system?
And then maybe we can go into some of the nuances of decisions that you can make.
Yeah.
In a background agent systems, you have a decision to make of where the agent is actually going to run.
This is typically described as the harness in the box or out of the box.
With running the agent in the box, you're making some trade-offs by doing that.
The negative trade-off you're making is primarily security.
Because the agent is running in that box, unless you otherwise design it, all of your secrets need to go into that box as well.
Given the nature of AI, it can be unpredictable and you could very easily end up accidentally exfilling your secrets or other unintended behavior.
Now, the out-of-the-box is the idea that we are going to have the actual agent running not directly in the sandbox, and we'll have quote-unquote the brain of the agent running in some type of worker control plane.
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