Colman Nocturne

Oh, for sure.

Yeah, and it's interesting you mentioned about talking about it because...

How children develop values is really, it's a relational issue.

So it's not an intellectual one, right?

So if you think about how we learn language, like you don't speak the way you speak today because you did some vocabulary drills or some grammar in school.

That was part of it.

You were immersed in language.

Do you know what I mean?

everything like tone and inflection and all of those things, that immersion almost allows you to live it rather than learn it, if that makes any sense.

And the same is for things like morality or prejudice or any of those things.

It's through the immersion of it.

So children don't learn by instruction, they learn through immersion.

And so we can oftentimes have conversations, but if we live our lives quite separately to that and they don't see...

if they see something different than what they hear, they learn about that because children don't merely listen to adults, they absorb them, if that makes any sense.

I do, I do.

Like the joy of missing, like we had the fear of missing out.

Now we have the joy of missing out.

What message is that sending to children when you're going, yes, I don't have to do the thing, right?

What you're saying is socialization is a chore and it is something that should be avoided.

Now, we talk about lots of things, Ray, but I think something connected to absolutely every one of the things we talk about is,