Conor Lee

That's a major leg up on other folks.

We might sell Hipli in the future.

It just depends on how things go.

But, but yeah, Sona was really only, only beta started in beta about two months ago.

So that's been, that growth is all in two months.

Yeah, so with Sona, I mean, we've had zero at Shurn.

But we've had a number of renewals already.

So we've already had three of our customers have already upgraded and renewed.

um, on that product.

So, so it's pretty, it's pretty great to hear and no one's turned off, uh, especially in early stage products.

That's great.

Um, but yeah, I mean, and so, you know, services business oftentimes, you know, can have higher churn rates.

Yeah, we had elements.

So we were supplying data and also running services.

So our business had the service component.

So not all the companies we work with, we help them to run outbound campaigns.

Some of them we do.

So we basically supply them with data, which is a very low churn, and then we supply to help them run an outbound campaign.

And so both those things work in tandem to generate revenue.

So, um, so yeah.