Conrad Flynn

But that's only part of the story.

Oh, totally, totally.

Turn that fucking thing off.

So I get, so this is all kind of new to me.

And when I talk to people who are, you know, lifelong students of religion, which is of course the main driver of human behavior from the beginning of time.

Sure, right.

And for, you know, again, since we dropped the atom bomb, we have lied to ourselves about that and kind of deleted that whole category from public conversation, which is, or, you know, it's been left to like Jerry Falwell and Rabbi Shmuley and other various buffoons to like talk about religion.

That's like so sad.

But it's been moved to the fringes.

But when I talk to someone like you, who's clearly thought about this much more deeply than I have and over a much longer period.

I'm a man of many books and PDFs.

Yeah, but it doesn't sound like it's like shocking to you.

That's exactly the life I've lived.

That's exactly right.

Too close.

Right.

Proximity causes blindness.

It's weird.

So I've had the opposite experience.

And even now, especially now when I read people, I read about people in the, you know, the media and they're described as one thing and I know them pretty well and I don't see that at all.