Conrad Flynn

But his role in this movement, it clearly is a loose movement.

Sure.

Of occultists, of demon worshipers, of people who are possessed by demons and say so out loud.

But he winds up having an effect on a lot of very powerful people, it sounds like.

So you start talking to people in Silicon Valley and it turns out they are in contact with or reading Nick Land.

I know a lot of them also, and I've talked to them about this exact topic.

And there are two reasons that I can...

I'm sure there are others, but one is, you know, the entire economy of California, maybe of the United States is bet on AI.

Right.

That's the last, that's kind of the last tech win we're going to have as a nation.

Yeah.

And the second is China.

The second, maybe even more compelling is that we need to achieve superiority dominance in AI or China will and,

And that would be unacceptable.

So there's a race.

So we sort of like the nuclear race in 1945, six and seven, and then the hydrogen bomb race because, well, the arms race now actually, the drones.

It's like, this is bad.

We can't, probably can't control it at a certain point, but we can't let the other guy go.

And the trajectory of the state of California is like the trajectory of the life of any occultist.

Bill Burroughs, for example, or Aleister Crowley, for example.