Cooper Maul

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All right, so this is actually happening.

In T-minus five minutes, I will be sitting down with Tanya McCarter, a.k.a.

Margot Freshwater, for her first ever interview.

And I truly cannot believe this.

This has been a long time coming.

For the past three years, we've been trying to find Margot Freshwater.

And back in 2021, when this podcast was still a seed of an idea, we started plotting our approach.

We knew this could take some time.

A few of my colleagues pursued her over the years, but Margo Freshwater lived up to her reputation.

She was really hard to track down.

We tried going through the attorney who had once defended her.

We thought if we could build trust with him, maybe he'd be our key to finding her.

He took a call, but communication fizzled.

Then somehow, word got back that we were trying to reach her.

And one summer afternoon in 2025, my phone rang.

I didn't record that very first call, but I did record the call I made the second I hung up with her, with my producer Ben.

And we weren't the only ones chasing her.