Craig Mazin

You're wrong again.

You're wrong again.

That's fair.

That's fair.

This is sort of the question of the entire thing. What does it mean to be saved? And can it happen at all in this world? Is someone doomed to go down a path that we would call wrong? Is there a redemption that is possible? And Gail's point here is arguable. I don't know if she's right. She is presenting the fatalistic point of view, which is Ellie's broken. She started broken.

This is sort of the question of the entire thing. What does it mean to be saved? And can it happen at all in this world? Is someone doomed to go down a path that we would call wrong? Is there a redemption that is possible? And Gail's point here is arguable. I don't know if she's right. She is presenting the fatalistic point of view, which is Ellie's broken. She started broken.

She got more broken. Now she is really broken. So stop blaming yourself for worrying about being responsible for her, fixing her. You can't. She's busted. She might be right. But so much of me wishes that she's not. And that is the question for everything that comes from this point forward.

She got more broken. Now she is really broken. So stop blaming yourself for worrying about being responsible for her, fixing her. You can't. She's busted. She might be right. But so much of me wishes that she's not. And that is the question for everything that comes from this point forward.

Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. I mean, Gale's not wrong about a whole bunch of things. Gale says she's a liar. There's a difference between lying and being a liar. Oh, I know. And that one? Liar. Correct. We have seen Ellie lying from the beginning. She didn't even tell the Fireflies her real name. She lies all the time. Right. It's part of her survival mechanism. She says, nurture can only do this much.

Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. I mean, Gale's not wrong about a whole bunch of things. Gale says she's a liar. There's a difference between lying and being a liar. Oh, I know. And that one? Liar. Correct. We have seen Ellie lying from the beginning. She didn't even tell the Fireflies her real name. She lies all the time. Right. It's part of her survival mechanism. She says, nurture can only do this much.

The rest is nature. You are who you are. And it sure seems like that's the case, too, because when we meet Ellie before she ever met Joel, when she's just a kid in federal school, she's punching people in the face. She's a problem. She was born in blood. And there is that nature in her. And in fact, her relationship with Joel seems like a combination of two people that had very similar natures.

The rest is nature. You are who you are. And it sure seems like that's the case, too, because when we meet Ellie before she ever met Joel, when she's just a kid in federal school, she's punching people in the face. She's a problem. She was born in blood. And there is that nature in her. And in fact, her relationship with Joel seems like a combination of two people that had very similar natures.

So Gail says they were walking side by side from the very start. I think that's true. And the question is, what are the subtle differences between their natures? And Tommy's going to articulate one very carefully. And that was something that Neil really zeroed in on. It's so important. But he does it with... with Ellie, he says, Joel wouldn't go after people to punish them for what they did.

So Gail says they were walking side by side from the very start. I think that's true. And the question is, what are the subtle differences between their natures? And Tommy's going to articulate one very carefully. And that was something that Neil really zeroed in on. It's so important. But he does it with... with Ellie, he says, Joel wouldn't go after people to punish them for what they did.

Joel would try and save people and he would blame himself if he failed, which we know is true, but he wouldn't pursue vengeance. That wasn't what motivated him. And therein is a difference between their natures. And maybe Gail is zeroing in on that, that Joel is had a secret, something that he did that he was ashamed of and yet needed to do. Ellie has an anger that is dangerous and goes outward.

Joel would try and save people and he would blame himself if he failed, which we know is true, but he wouldn't pursue vengeance. That wasn't what motivated him. And therein is a difference between their natures. And maybe Gail is zeroing in on that, that Joel is had a secret, something that he did that he was ashamed of and yet needed to do. Ellie has an anger that is dangerous and goes outward.

And where she goes from here, hard to say. But yes, in my mind, Gail has written her off. No question.

And where she goes from here, hard to say. But yes, in my mind, Gail has written her off. No question.

Ellie is not good at planning. Ellie is amazing at doing things. And Ellie is incredible when it comes to persistence, dedication, and single-mindedness. And Dina, once Dina sees the outcome of the vote, I think she spends the rest of the day planning because she knows exactly what Ellie is going to do. And sure enough, when she gets there... Ellie's plan is not a plan at all.

Ellie is not good at planning. Ellie is amazing at doing things. And Ellie is incredible when it comes to persistence, dedication, and single-mindedness. And Dina, once Dina sees the outcome of the vote, I think she spends the rest of the day planning because she knows exactly what Ellie is going to do. And sure enough, when she gets there... Ellie's plan is not a plan at all.