Craig Mazin

Yeah, so Dina is with Joel now, and she's in this mine. That's an actual mining facility in Wyoming. And Dina's at this lower level, and she shouts for Joel. And Caitlin does this incredible thing where she's like, I just got saved. I'm freaking out. My gun is gone. That's the guy I'm looking for. He just saved my life. What do I do now? And the gears spinning in her head are fascinating to watch.

Yeah, so Dina is with Joel now, and she's in this mine. That's an actual mining facility in Wyoming. And Dina's at this lower level, and she shouts for Joel. And Caitlin does this incredible thing where she's like, I just got saved. I'm freaking out. My gun is gone. That's the guy I'm looking for. He just saved my life. What do I do now? And the gears spinning in her head are fascinating to watch.

Caitlin talks to Joel in a very intimate way before she begins to hurt him. And in that discussion, there's this moment where she turns and looks and sees this bag of old golf clubs across the room. And then she looks back at Joel and a tear just comes out. There is a pain there that you can't help but connect with. And that's why this story is so fascinating to me.

Caitlin talks to Joel in a very intimate way before she begins to hurt him. And in that discussion, there's this moment where she turns and looks and sees this bag of old golf clubs across the room. And then she looks back at Joel and a tear just comes out. There is a pain there that you can't help but connect with. And that's why this story is so fascinating to me.

It is screwing with the fundamental physics of narrative. It is forcing your brain to get out of its comfort zone with narrative because you are struggling in that moment. I almost feel like Schrodinger's audience in that moment. I am rooting for her and I'm rooting for him. It's both.

It is screwing with the fundamental physics of narrative. It is forcing your brain to get out of its comfort zone with narrative because you are struggling in that moment. I almost feel like Schrodinger's audience in that moment. I am rooting for her and I'm rooting for him. It's both.

The cognitive dissonance there, the emotional dissonance, is glorious to me because it's complicated and I think it mirrors how we feel a lot in our own lives.

The cognitive dissonance there, the emotional dissonance, is glorious to me because it's complicated and I think it mirrors how we feel a lot in our own lives.

I remember seeing that little, I guess you'd call it a teaser, as a fan of the game, Losing My Shit. And the moment before it begins... is sort of why the song happens at all. Because Ellie makes this slow, painful crawl across the floor to Joel's body. She has been kicked in the ribs and clearly injured badly. She might not make it at all. I think she thinks she's going to die here.

I remember seeing that little, I guess you'd call it a teaser, as a fan of the game, Losing My Shit. And the moment before it begins... is sort of why the song happens at all. Because Ellie makes this slow, painful crawl across the floor to Joel's body. She has been kicked in the ribs and clearly injured badly. She might not make it at all. I think she thinks she's going to die here.

And she just wants to be with him. And it is so heartbreaking to hear her little breaths as she just settles in with the only person in her life that she truly loved. And then we wanted, I remember talking about this with Mark too, we wanted to drift away into a dreamy view of what happens now. Because you can't keep doing reality after that. That is the peak of it. And what that means is a song.

And she just wants to be with him. And it is so heartbreaking to hear her little breaths as she just settles in with the only person in her life that she truly loved. And then we wanted, I remember talking about this with Mark too, we wanted to drift away into a dreamy view of what happens now. Because you can't keep doing reality after that. That is the peak of it. And what that means is a song.

And Ashley isn't just Ellie in the game, she's also now in our show, Ellie's mother. And there is this ghostly sound of the other person who loved Ellie as much as Joel did. And what she is singing about is not good news. In the end, even though Jackson is saved, even though Ellie survives, someone's soul might be damned. And that is rough.

And Ashley isn't just Ellie in the game, she's also now in our show, Ellie's mother. And there is this ghostly sound of the other person who loved Ellie as much as Joel did. And what she is singing about is not good news. In the end, even though Jackson is saved, even though Ellie survives, someone's soul might be damned. And that is rough.

But I will say, and I'll be intentional about this, that we do know that for the viewer, there are some mysteries here. There's some gaps about Ellie and Joel's relationship. And I don't think it's a spoiler based on the fact that there's a trailer out there with lots of shots in it. This is not the last we will see of Joel.

But I will say, and I'll be intentional about this, that we do know that for the viewer, there are some mysteries here. There's some gaps about Ellie and Joel's relationship. And I don't think it's a spoiler based on the fact that there's a trailer out there with lots of shots in it. This is not the last we will see of Joel.

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Well, I mean, I will say season one, I'm just going to be fully transparent. I don't do well with a lot of attention. I think the rough thing for me is that if something fails, I feel really, really bad. And if something succeeds the way the first season did, I just feel really, really scared. I don't know why.

Well, I mean, I will say season one, I'm just going to be fully transparent. I don't do well with a lot of attention. I think the rough thing for me is that if something fails, I feel really, really bad. And if something succeeds the way the first season did, I just feel really, really scared. I don't know why.