Dacher Keltner

Yeah.

Yeah.

And thousands of them are being led by practitioners of all walks now around the world.

And it's an easy thing to do.

A lot of people find their best exercise in walking and now just make it include a little mystery and wonder.

Yeah.

Well, you know, and it's a little comical that it took a while to realize this in the scientific community, but psychedelics or spirit medicines in indigenous traditions produce these self-transcendent states where the self quiets down and vanishes and dissolves to use Michael's language and opens us up to awe, right?

And now several labs really feel that's the active ingredient of a psychedelic experience is to,

feel a deep sense of reverence and connection to an ecosystem, to feel really moved by the compassion of fellow human beings, to feel music in a different way.

And that's true.

I mean, in those experiences, awe is driving a lot of the benefits you get from psychedelics.

Yeah.

You know, I had the great privilege of being part of the Restorative Justice Program at San Quentin Prison.

And I went in, and that's a remarkable program that's built on the idea of moral beauty,

you know, all humans have goodness within them that they can find with the right guidance and practice, even if they've perpetrated harms and the like.

And so I go in and give a talk

And I think every American should go into an American prison and just to see that part of our state.

And it's astonishing.

You don't have the wonders of life readily available.

Solitary confinement, which I've worked on is horrific.