Dacher Keltner

It's a form of cruel and unusual punishment.

So I go in, I'm giving a talk.

In this program, there are 180 prisoners.

All of them work out a lot.

I was the smallest person in that building, and they would have twisted me up like a pretzel.

And they are working hard.

And in the middle of my talk, I was like, I have to do this.

And I said, what brings you awe in San Quentin?

And there's this quiet and then the answers came pouring forth and it was my grandchild learning how to read, getting my college diploma, the Quran, meditating.

My celly.

My celly.

Being outside and seeing the Bay light, San Quentin's on the San Francisco Bay.

And I, you know, Oprah, I was like, these are the best answers I've ever heard.

You know, they are a lesson that we can find awe anywhere, right?

And we can cultivate awe in the hardest places.

And then, you know, my experience in San Quentin and I will call out Darnell Washington, who's now, he led the restorative justice programs.

He's a dear friend outside.

He's teaching yoga.

and meditation that he learned inside to kids in LA.

And we know that those programs work.