Damian Hughes

So his ability to be able to forget about the expectations, forget about the consequences and just be where his feet were in that moment and focus on his ability to kick the penalty is what I think makes his lessons just so powerful.

Because again, any of us can be where our feet are at any moment.

Oh, hugely, Jake.

I think, you know, as we said at the start of this, that we're all going to face pressure in our own way, whether it's

You know, the kids doing exams at this time of the year, whether it's we've got to go in for a job interview, whether it's even just sort of having a difficult conversation at home with somebody.

All those oppression moments in our brain will naturally seek answers to those three questions, expectations, abilities and consequences.

So our ability to...

filter out the noise and just be in the moment, focus on what we're supposed to be doing, is incredibly powerful.

Which is often lugging it out of the door thing.

Yeah, well, do you remember after that episode came out that Klopp referenced it in a press conference, didn't he?

That he'd listened to our interview with James Milner and he said how thrilled he was that his players remembered with such affection both him and the time that they'd spent working with him.

I remember being really quite thrilled that Klopp almost validated what James had told us.

maybe one day maybe maybe we'll still get him on but uh i think the powerful message there that the the james was describing that again how can we take this away and apply it to our own lives is the understanding of the concepts of emotional contagion where we can literally catch the emotional states of people around us you know this was um there's research from an anthropologist a guy called paul leckman he wrote a book called

Unmasking the Face, where he talks about how our emotions react on average about six times faster than our brains do.

So when you walk into a room and you put a smile on your face and you come in with a bit of energy, people will respond to that far quicker than what they will think about why is it that you're happy.

So when Klopp walked into that meeting room and gave his players that absolute belief that nobody believes we can do this, but I do because I know you guys, he's just communicating and making his emotions of belief and confidence and that sense of certainty contagious to his players.

Yeah, very much.

Yeah, I think that's really powerful.

I mean, when you've worked in the paddocks, you've been around the dressing rooms, who's been the leaders like that that make themselves vulnerable, that have impressed you?

Yeah, very much.