Dan Harris

to all evidence-based stuff to help you upgrade your life.

I'm just following my own interests here.

I'm interested in how to sleep better, how to exercise without being driven by self-hatred, how to improve your work life, how to improve your home life.

I want to talk about all these things because, as discussed, I'm a bit of a mess myself.

And so I'm just kind of using this.

The way many of the psychology researchers I interview talk about their own work is research is me search.

And that's what's happening on the podcast.

Yeah, for sure.

I mean—

I think that's what's happening in your work.

Yes, 100%.

No, I started this because I have my own questions.

And it's helpful to hear from other people if they're still in the – if they're in the muck of those same questions and how they've managed their way out or conclusions or if they're just still swimming in the existential goo of it all.

I mean, you talk about how the podcast has evolved to be, you know, let's just look at all of our life and different facets of it and how we can improve.

But I do feel like this optimization culture can sometimes feel oppressive.

Like everything can always be better.

And so how do we make it better in my sleep?

And I got the rings and I got the apps that tell me the stuff and everything.

And sometimes do you just want to throw it all up and be like, on today's episode, how to just be cool with having things not be better than they are?

It's a huge theme on our show, and it's a huge topic of discussion on my team.