Dan Harris

These are places where these are target-rich environments for the senses, for sense foraging.

And then you say, then you admit, and this may sound a little obvious, and here's the great line, it's not rocket science, but it is neuroscience.

And I'm going to steal that and use it all the time.

Yeah, as long as there's some takeaway, right?

I mean, it's like Bill Hader, the comedian, was on this podcast a couple months ago and he said this really funny thing, which was, you know, he's he's started meditating.

He's pretty committed to it.

And one of his big and yoga and being in nature, all these other things that he's doing to work on his anxiety.

And he said the worst part of is just admitting that the hippies were right.

Norm, you just used a word, a key word, and I want to close on this word.

And Zendel, maybe I'll let you talk about it.

Toggling.

Toward the end of the book, you say toggling is at the heart of it all.

What do you mean by that?

Is there some place either of you was hoping we would get to that we didn't get to?

Norm, let me just ask the last question for you, which is, can you just remind everybody of the name of the book and whatever website you've made or other resources that are out there that people can go check out?

Excellent.

Norman Zindel, thank you very much for coming on.

Thank you to Zindel Siegel and Norman Farb.

Awesome to talk to them.

If you want to hear Zindel's previous appearance on the show, I will drop a link to that in the show notes.