Dan Hollaway
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first heard Mar 2025
last heard Mar 2025
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Yeah. Well, there's so there's two major cases on this. States versus Klein from 1872 and then Ex parte Garland in 1866. And both courts affirmed that once a pardon is issued, it's issued unless you can prove fraud, which is what they may try to do. But I don't I just don't see how you do it. Yeah. Like, how do you prove
It's an impossible case to make, to be honest, because unless somebody like even. Even if everybody that worked for Biden testified that he was mentally out of it, right? You can't prove that he was on that specific moment, right? That's what matters. So I don't see that going anywhere, to be honest. I think this is just a publicity stunt.
Yeah, the smarter move would be to subpoena these people. Subpoena Fauci and start asking him questions because he can't be charged with anything that he did while in government because of this pardon. But every time he lies under oath, he can be charged with contempt of Congress, which you can, you know, it's three years and $30,000 fine. You just keep doing that over and over.
Keep him in there a couple days until he racks up 100 years and then throw his ass in prison for the rest of his life. I mean, that's how they do it. And he can't use the Fifth Amendment. Well, they do it indirectly, bro.
No, no, no. He can't do it. No, they do things like I don't recall. Well, then that would be a crime as well, right? That would be a crime of omission. It's still a crime. So once you receive a pardon, the Fifth Amendment no longer applies because you can't be convicted.
No. uh if you could be proved that he does recall if i could show him evidence like hey here's your signature on something you don't recall signing this i don't recall like well here it is here's the evidence did you do it or not well yes i did all right there good now you've said it force that force these people to say this that they did out loud dude listen real talk
Well, maybe not, but Biden just set a precedent. Nobody's ever given a preemptive pardon before.
yeah and trump is well within his rights to on his last day in office to give himself a lifetime preemptive pardon for anything he might ever do yeah right and if they try to charge him with something and then you know the republicans can always go back and charge these other guys but i agree i think uh
History is pretty clear that a benevolent dictator is better than any other type of government.
But the problem is succession, right? No, no, no. For every Augustus Caesar, you get a Tiberius who literally raped little babies, babies, right? And you get a Nero and a Caligula. You get three of those for every one good one you get. But what we need is a Sulla.
So somewhere between Sulla and Cincinnati then. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting to think about. I don't know why people are so offended by the idea of an oligarchy. One, like we don't have one and haven't always had one, even in this so-called democracy, right? We've always had it. But, you know, do the thought experiment yourself. Should most people be involved in running the government? No.
Can I run a thought experiment by you? Yeah. OK, let's say you have an impoverished class of some sort. It doesn't have to be on racial lines or any just the impoverished. It doesn't matter any of their other demographics. Throw them out the window. It's just poor people. Right. That's all you got. No, I'm just saying, just focus on this one group.
So what's to stop the class that has had success in the past from dominating them into perpetuity?
It could go both ways, but I'm talking about- But that's what's happening now. I'm talking about your idea. That's called a dictatorship of the minority, I believe, is what you're referring to.
They're just being led along. They're being- I mean, do you go to jail if you don't pay your tax? Well, you should. Yeah. Right? I mean, not should. I hate taxes are bullshit, but like in our system- According to the law. According to the law, yeah. Right. But the issue is this. the people who are currently functioning well, right? And our goal should be to make sure everybody's functioning well.
Totally agree. The Northern European countries handle this quite a bit better than we do. You have, so you mentioned before about putting limits on social welfare and shit like that. They don't have it. But what they do have is the government fucking just straight up tells you your job doesn't exist anymore. You got to go fucking learn to do something else.
And we'll help you, but you're going to learn or you're getting the fuck out. We're not going to help you forever. Now, I don't think the government should be involved in that. I'm kind of curious where all the church tax-free money is going to deal with these social issues, to be honest, but... So back to the other part, what is to stop the let's call them the ruling class.
And I don't mean that as a pejorative. I mean, literally, that's what they would be if they if they're the only ones with the vote, then they're the ruling class is how it is. Right. And every every civilization, including ours, has had one. Don't pretend like we haven't. Right. So what's to stop them?
I am, yeah. But what's to stop us, I guess, if we want to code it that way, from disenfranchising them forever? We could vote if that's how it works.
Yeah, I mean, there should be consequences. Do you think that our vote is that valuable now for people? No, I think our vote's bullshit. But that's not the point I'm making. The point I'm making is, let's say the ruling class decides we're going to require work permits for everything, and now we're running a lottery because we don't want all these people to be involved in our work anymore, right?
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