Dan Houser

And I saw the world in a holistic way and saw society in a holistic way that you could break apart into an open world video game.

I thought about it a bunch the way I...

think about things was suitable for that, for whatever reason.

That was just good fortune.

Very accurate.

I would also get pepperoni on my half.

just to be technically accurate.

He wouldn't because he claimed to be a vegetarian in those days.

But then he'd admit to me he kept chicken wings hidden in the freezer.

So it was a sort of fake vegetarian.

That was, I think we still do it now sometimes as a sort of memorialize, but that began in 2001.

And the office at Rockstar was so small and we were so broke that there was no, and I did have a private office at the time, but it genuinely was a cupboard.

It didn't have a window.

I was literally sitting in a cupboard.

So there was no room and I had a desk and a chair just for myself.

But I lived quite near the office.

So we would write one or two afternoons a week.

He'd come in.

He was a freelancer working with us.

He'd come in from Long Island and then we would jump on the subway, go to my apartment in Chelsea and sit in this grimy little apartment I was living in and buy pizza from around the corner.