Dan Jones

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How To Fail With Elizabeth Day · Elizabeth's New Show: History’s Greatest Fails · 7 Apr 2026 podcast

But anyway, I think the broader point is that Bosworth is the big failure, the failure to defend the crown once he'd won it and once he'd taken such drastic steps to get it.

Some of the steps aren't alleged.

I mean, the killing of Hastings, for example.

It depends on when we think they've been done away with.

Well, two bodies were found under the staircase and they're in Westminster Abbey in the urn that Christopher Wren sort of rather beautifully made for them.

And I don't think it's going to happen in the near future.

But I think we're probably closer to it than perhaps we have been, that testing could be carried out on the remains that are in those urns to see if they are indeed the princes in the tower.

I think there's a, yes, I mean, this would have to be signed off by the royal family and also by Westminster.

But the sort of hypothetical about the remains of the princes in the tower is,

is that even, and this speaks to the whole case of Richard III and our perception of historical failure, I think, even if some hypothetical DNA testing were done on the remains of the Prince and the Tower against known family members, and it said, these are definitely the remains of the Prince's,

it still wouldn't change most people's minds.

It's true.

Because you'd still go, well, I think Henry, not you, but also you, would say, no, no, well, I think Richard III wouldn't have done that.

I think somebody else did it.

It doesn't really change because this is a case where the facts are...

are incomplete and the case is probably unprovable and so there's enough uh space within this discussion always to make up your mind about what you think and then argue the facts towards that conclusion

Yes, I totally agree.

I see.

Okay.

Yes, I agree.

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