Dan Le Batard

He's there working on the story as we speak, but is good enough to join us.

Willem, I mean, this is an epic rise and fall.

These guys were private jets, $50 million, $30 million homes, not only that they sold, but they lived in.

What was the atmosphere like when the prosecution, the U.S.

Attorney's Office, got a clean sweep, 10 guilty verdicts on 10 charges for all three brothers?

You were there in the courtroom.

You heard the evidence that the prosecution presented.

Talk a little bit about of what you felt and clearly the jury felt was among the most persuasive evidence, the most persuasive witnesses.

And were you surprised based on that, that it was a clean sweep, that it was guilty on all 10 counts?

Yeah, there was some pretty vulgar text.

I mean, what I guess the defense attempted to frame or characterize as locker room talk or boys being boys.

I think even the word scumbag assholes was actually bandied about from the defense itself.

Was none of that particularly persuasive, apparently, to the jury?

And are you surprised there wasn't at least one or two counts there that they faltered on?

Speaking of the sex trafficking accusations and charges, they got a unanimous verdict here on all 10 counts.

Last July, there was a mixed verdict in the Diddy case, which was also prosecuted in the Southern District of New York.

So I think there was at some point or another, there were some overlap in the in both the prosecution team and the defense team on that case.

There, Diddy was acquitted of the more serious charges, racketeering and particularly sex trafficking.

This was a similarly novel interpretation of the federal sex trafficking statute to basically say they used their lifestyle, their luxurious lifestyle and their money and these beautiful houses they rented in the Hamptons for parties and things to lure these women in for these alleged commercial sex acts.

Can you give us a, you're not an attorney, but what did you glean in the courtroom about, I guess, why this was a more, what the allegations were with respect to sex trafficking and why perhaps it was a more persuasive argument here in this case?