Dan Novaes

They didn't pay for subscriptions, so they liked that it was free and that you could stream unlimited music. And at the time, the APIs of these services, so how we integrated, they didn't show ads in them. So it was like a weird hack to have an ad-free app experience with a huge library. And obviously, they could change that at any minute. It was just unfortunate for us at the time.

They didn't pay for subscriptions, so they liked that it was free and that you could stream unlimited music. And at the time, the APIs of these services, so how we integrated, they didn't show ads in them. So it was like a weird hack to have an ad-free app experience with a huge library. And obviously, they could change that at any minute. It was just unfortunate for us at the time.

They didn't pay for subscriptions, so they liked that it was free and that you could stream unlimited music. And at the time, the APIs of these services, so how we integrated, they didn't show ads in them. So it was like a weird hack to have an ad-free app experience with a huge library. And obviously, they could change that at any minute. It was just unfortunate for us at the time.

And then we asked them like, you know, why don't you pay? It's like, oh, because, you know, a budget conscious or whatever it might be. And they tend to have more time than they had money. So we were like, oh, well, what if we paid you to listen to music? Like, would you be interested in that? And then everyone was like, yes, very interested in that. So we just put up a landing page.

And then we asked them like, you know, why don't you pay? It's like, oh, because, you know, a budget conscious or whatever it might be. And they tend to have more time than they had money. So we were like, oh, well, what if we paid you to listen to music? Like, would you be interested in that? And then everyone was like, yes, very interested in that. So we just put up a landing page.

And then we asked them like, you know, why don't you pay? It's like, oh, because, you know, a budget conscious or whatever it might be. And they tend to have more time than they had money. So we were like, oh, well, what if we paid you to listen to music? Like, would you be interested in that? And then everyone was like, yes, very interested in that. So we just put up a landing page.

I don't know if you used to use Robinhood when it first came out, but they had this like referral mechanism that you could jump the line into it and they get literally millions of installs on that. So we just put up a landing page. I was like, hey, we'll pay you to listen to music. And we had 250,000 people sign up in a matter of weeks. And so we're like, okay, there's something here for sure.

I don't know if you used to use Robinhood when it first came out, but they had this like referral mechanism that you could jump the line into it and they get literally millions of installs on that. So we just put up a landing page. I was like, hey, we'll pay you to listen to music. And we had 250,000 people sign up in a matter of weeks. And so we're like, okay, there's something here for sure.

I don't know if you used to use Robinhood when it first came out, but they had this like referral mechanism that you could jump the line into it and they get literally millions of installs on that. So we just put up a landing page. I was like, hey, we'll pay you to listen to music. And we had 250,000 people sign up in a matter of weeks. And so we're like, okay, there's something here for sure.

And so we focused the entire business on paying you to listen to music. Problem is that Music is like a horrible business and it's really hard to make money doing that. So then that's how we moved into like gaming. And then we moved into other types of activities that you would do on the phone.

And so we focused the entire business on paying you to listen to music. Problem is that Music is like a horrible business and it's really hard to make money doing that. So then that's how we moved into like gaming. And then we moved into other types of activities that you would do on the phone.

And so we focused the entire business on paying you to listen to music. Problem is that Music is like a horrible business and it's really hard to make money doing that. So then that's how we moved into like gaming. And then we moved into other types of activities that you would do on the phone.

And before we knew it, we're like, really what we're building is like an operating system on the phone, focus on everything you do that rewards you. And then we were earning money to play games, to shop, to stream music, read the news, charge your phone.

And before we knew it, we're like, really what we're building is like an operating system on the phone, focus on everything you do that rewards you. And then we were earning money to play games, to shop, to stream music, read the news, charge your phone.

And before we knew it, we're like, really what we're building is like an operating system on the phone, focus on everything you do that rewards you. And then we were earning money to play games, to shop, to stream music, read the news, charge your phone.

And so then that's how the whole concept was formed around EarnPhone and rewarding you for everything you do on this device and the 40 hours that you spend on average on your smartphone. That's only going up.

And so then that's how the whole concept was formed around EarnPhone and rewarding you for everything you do on this device and the 40 hours that you spend on average on your smartphone. That's only going up.

And so then that's how the whole concept was formed around EarnPhone and rewarding you for everything you do on this device and the 40 hours that you spend on average on your smartphone. That's only going up.

Yeah, so the way to kind of think about it is like, There are direct advertisers that will work with us. I mean, when you advertise, there's always a goal, right? For your podcast, it might be you want people to download your podcast. You want to wear that. So you're willing to spend money on that. For brands, same thing, right?

Yeah, so the way to kind of think about it is like, There are direct advertisers that will work with us. I mean, when you advertise, there's always a goal, right? For your podcast, it might be you want people to download your podcast. You want to wear that. So you're willing to spend money on that. For brands, same thing, right?