Dan Pfeiffer

And that we have to accept... When you accept that reality, you start then realizing...

Two things.

One, those people are not leaving Donald Trump anytime soon, if ever.

And that the party could look very differently after Trump.

Now, I am not arguing that all of a sudden, like our friends at the bulwark are going to be like the bulwark Republicanism or Mitt Romney Republicanism is coming back.

I don't think that.

But that it is a very open question about the Republican Party looks like.

The J.D.

Vance thing is interesting because this doesn't make a lot of sense because Joe Biden actually ran for president and became president.

But for almost the entirety of the eight years of the Obama administration, no one thought Joe Biden was running for president.

And he was not doing a single thing to prepare himself for running for president.

He wasn't forming a PAC.

He wasn't going to early states.

It honestly wasn't until early 2015 when we were in a meeting in the Situation Room and the then vice president pulled me aside and told me,

That he was thinking of running for president and he wanted – that he had definitely – he had not fully ruled it out yet.

Yeah.

And he wanted to sit down and talk about it.

And that was the first – like I almost fell out of my chair.

Yeah.

Because I was surprised by it.