Dan Shepard

And that's great.

But here's the way I look at it is I feel like it weirdly parallels the whole point of your article, which is reverse engineer.

So I was on a panel this year for the Golden Globes about podcasts.

And the person kind of asked the why is there no Rogan?

Everyone's like, oh, yeah, I don't know why they're so big.

And I'm like, guys, it's so obvious we're not addressing the reality of this, which is.

You have a huge group of men who in 2020, when we talked, the first third of our conversation was about Me Too when we interviewed you six years ago.

And so you have a whole legion of young men that at that moment in time were being told by some pundits and some shows that somehow young boys were like inherently defective.

We have a boy problem.

These are headlines.

We have a boy problem.

We have a male problem.

So you have this whole group of kids who have just assumed the sins of the boss who was a pig and the powerful man who exploited people.

They haven't entered the workplace.

They haven't even been on a date.

They haven't sexually assaulted anyone.

And they're hearing from a lot of the popular media outlets that there's something defective about them.

And then lo and behold, some guys show up and they're like, we're not terrible.

We're not ashamed of who we are.

And you're shocked that they migrated over that.