Dan Shepard

And guess what?

Yes, if you see a clip of our show on Instagram, it's not as good as the whole show.

But it is better than nothing if that gets to the young boys scrolling.

So I just think people are being completely unrealistic, naive, and not pragmatic about this whole approach.

It's like another version of, well, we want it our way.

No.

How are they doing it?

How do you reach them?

It's hard not to like someone.

Because I always say Jonathan Haidt, but you went John Haidt.

Jay Haidt.

Well, look, there's hard and fast data on this.

There's any segment of our society that has declined the worst in the last 15 years.

It's young men, educationally, employment-wise.

And I think if it were any other group, there'd be an all-hands-on-deck situation.

And so you have a guy like Jordan Peterson who I personally can't stand.

I mean, he is very entertaining to watch argue.

He's an incredible debater.

But what he really was offering his young men, he had a program for what it meant to be a man and to have virtue.

He was wowing them with his debate, but he had something to offer.