Dan Shipper

So people were using it for code, which is the thing that it was intended for, but then they started using it for everything.

It's like, organize my files, or plan my schedule, or whatever.

And they're like, oh my god, this is so cool.

And then they made co-work.

And so it creates this much more flexible model of software that it doesn't mean that traditional software doesn't work anymore.

I think the whole SaaS is dead thing is such bullshit.

But there is this new class of software that

I think is really powerful.

And proof is an example of this kind of thing.

There's different types of agent native.

It can be agent native in the sense that it has an agent at its core internal to it, or it can be agent native in the sense that all agents can use it natively.

So like Figma at this point is agent native because it has a CLI.

So there's a whole new world of how software might work and also how software works with agents that it starts to open up.

It definitely does apply.

But I think that OpenClaw, they've already built it to be agent native.

And so...

you're kind of getting the benefit of riding along with that architecture so an example of what makes it agent native is open claw is built on pi which is a like agent harness and pi is very very basic it doesn't really have much except an agent loop and the ability to modify itself

And OpenClaw puts a couple of things on top of that.

So it has a cron job.

So it has a heartbeat.