Dan Shipper

I think this is a really interesting thing.

I mean, I use Codex much more than I use ChatGPT for things that I used to use ChatGPT for.

And the thing that happened is around the time when me and Kieran were having this whole realization about 3.7 and do you need to touch the code and whatever, a little bit after that was when GPT-5 came out.

And GPT-5 was a very interesting model release because they continued, even though all of this agent decoding stuff was happening, they continued to push forward this split between regular knowledge work and vibe coding happens in ChatGPT and professional pair programming happens in Codex.

And

They stuck with that split from GPT-5 really until like the last two or three months.

Yeah, exactly.

And I think that really hampered them because what Anthropocene was able to do is –

Cloud Code A, people started to be like, there's a whole new engineering paradigm that I can't do with Codex because it's too hobbled.

It doesn't let me do this.

And then people were like, but I could also do it for all this other work.

And so it started to explode.

And I think ChatGPT got left behind a little bit because ChatGPT as a...

As an app, it doesn't have access to your computer.

It has a desktop app, but that has always been sort of a sideshow.

And it's really like this chat thing that you can use.

Exactly.

And Cloud Code is just much more, from the beginning, an agent that you hand things off to and that has access to your whole computer and your whole life.

And that's a much better, much more fertile ground to grow more power and more work.

It can do more work for you than, okay, it's a really a website and now it's a mobile app and now it has a desktop app, but like, yeah, it just doesn't, it doesn't work for them.