Dan Shipper

The first thought is I actually look at that as training a customer.

And a customer that's going to really stick around with that is going to end up wanting things that just the bare thread in Codex is not going to do for them very well.

Actually, chat is not a very good medium for a lot of app interactions.

So in the same way that Excel was... You don't get the SaaS boom without Excel.

Excel is teaching people how to use computers in a way that then becomes enterprise SaaS.

I really think a lot of these...

a lot of these Codex or ChachiBT or Cloud use cases are actually training potential customers who are power users to encounter problems that they want to buy software to fix.

But I have a very specific prediction for what that's going to look like.

And I'm currently obsessed with what I'm calling Codex native apps.

And the basic insight is

For all of these tools, so like Cloud Code Desktop and Codex, they're built primarily for developers for now.

And when developers are working in them, if you're changing your app, it has an in-app browser that you can use to like, you know, the agent's in there with you.

You can like look at your app in local hosts and the agent's in there and you're going back and forth.

And it's a very good collaboration environment for a developer.

I think that it's incredible for any kind of knowledge work.

I spend...

all day just in Codex and when I open up a thread, I just open up a browser tab and I'm in my documents, I'm in my emails,

And it's me and Codex going back and forth on a SaaS app that's running inside of the browser of Codex.

And it is the most powerful thing I've ever used.

And I really think that is going to be a significant user experience type thing that we're gonna see across all of these providers of agent orchestration platforms for knowledge work.