Dana El-Kurd

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Behind the Bastards · It Could Happen Here Weekly 225 · 28 Mar 2026 podcast

Early in the trial, prosecution argued that Song firing on the officers was quote-unquote reasonably foreseeable based on the planning of the action and previous statements made by Song.

But this Pickerton liability also applied to the other charges, including riot, material support to terrorism, and the explosive charge.

The jury found all defendants that were charged guilty of counts one, two, three, and four.

That's riot, material support, and two explosive charges.

but did not find the other defendants, besides Song, guilty of attempted murder or discharging a firearm using the Pinkerton co-conspirator liability.

The prosecution wanted the other individuals at the protest to be found guilty of the charges of attempted murder using the liability, and the jury did not do that.

Let's talk about two of the charges that now carry some worrying potential to be used against protesters in the future based on the precedent that this case sets.

First, the conspiracy to use and carry an explosive and using and carrying an explosive during a riot.

The only quote-unquote explosives at this noise demonstration protest are

were fireworks.

And the judge even confirmed that it was established that the fireworks caused no damage to the ICE facility.

Yet, Stephen Brenneman, an ATS explosives special agent, testified that fireworks meet the statutory definition of explosives under 18 U.S.C.

Section 844IJ because the fireworks contain gunpowder as defined in the statute.

This could have some pretty wide-reaching implications.

A lot of protests use fireworks.

This was a protest on 4th of July, a day full of the use of fireworks.

Robert and I have been to a protest, covered a protest in 2020 outside of a federal government building that also had a lot of fireworks and fireworks shot towards the building.

Yep.

If that happened now, it's possible that people at this protest could be charged with this conspiracy to use and carry an explosive.

Yeah.

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